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Post by optical on May 10, 2022 18:34:40 GMT
I think both parties only mean well here.
Dave, I love the fact that you don't want anything to sully the day, honestly that's a commendable attitude but ultimately I know Martin only meant it in a constructive manner.
He did state that it wasn't meant as a criticism and therefore I only see it as an observation, one which will hopefully have positive influence over the decision making process of the next venue for the next AA bakeoff!
Nice to see some passion anyway but maybe wires have gotten a little bit crossed.
No problem with any of that, good that folk feel they can make their feelings known, then we'll sort stuff out.
As we were chaps.
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Post by Pigmy Pony on May 10, 2022 18:41:01 GMT
I know Macca enjoyed the day, because he told me so. And he doesn't tell lies. So why not say so on here instead of saying "it's the worst acoustics I've ever heard" LET'S HAVE SOME POSITIVITY He did, check out his post yesterday dinnertime.
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Post by Pigmy Pony on May 10, 2022 18:46:57 GMT
Nice to see some passion anyway but maybe wires have gotten a little bit crossed. Don't be bringing wires into the discussion, people really will fall out!
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Post by Bigman80 on May 10, 2022 18:53:26 GMT
Nice to see some passion anyway but maybe wires have gotten a little bit crossed. Don't be bringing wires into the discussion, people really will fall out! I might bring up Dueland lol..... croftie 🤣 Opinionated.....moi? Lol
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Post by lurch on May 10, 2022 20:04:40 GMT
Well thanks to my daughter wanting a dirty weekend for her wedding anniversary I obviously missed a damn good day out. Well done all involved. Anyway as I said in the equipment thread I'm happy to host a Southern BO if anyone is up for it. I can even sort camping (enough room for 6 tents on my lawn) + a couple of bodies crashing in garage or 2nd lounge (settee, camp bed and a roll mat) 2 rooms for systems with my #1 rig in one and the playroom for whatever you can cobble together. Can sort catering aswell (big spag boll in evening, and chips n fish fingers during the day) Let me know if it's of interest. Also a pub 100yds from house + chippy 2 mins away, kebabs 5 mins.
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Post by electronumpty on May 11, 2022 7:27:08 GMT
LET'S HAVE SOME POSITIVITY Down with that sort of thing🤨
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Post by pete on May 11, 2022 8:56:32 GMT
Well thanks to my daughter wanting a dirty weekend for her wedding anniversary I obviously missed a damn good day out. Well done all involved. Anyway as I said in the equipment thread I'm happy to host a Southern BO if anyone is up for it. I can even sort camping (enough room for 6 tents on my lawn) + a couple of bodies crashing in garage or 2nd lounge (settee, camp bed and a roll mat) 2 rooms for systems with my #1 rig in one and the playroom for whatever you can cobble together. Can sort catering aswell (big spag boll in evening, and chips n fish fingers during the day) Let me know if it's of interest. Also a pub 100yds from house + chippy 2 mins away, kebabs 5 mins. Your place sounds like paradise!!
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Post by macca on May 11, 2022 9:23:27 GMT
Size of the room wasn't the issue. My bathroom is tiny but you wouldn't want to listen to a hi-fi in there. Without testing the room before you book it, which isn't a realistic option, it's impossible to draw any definite conclusions as to what it will do to the sound. Assessing the amount of echo when people talk, that's about the only prior testing you can do. Plus when you factor in location, cost and availability the choices get narrowed down very fast. Instead of f---ing moaning, get off your lazy arse and find something better for next year. As far as I could tell everyone enjoyed the day, only you seem to be the exception, your comments are taking the shine off the day, and Alan at least went out there and found something for us which I think everyone appreciated. (except one) Oh dear. FYI I already got off my lazy arse and organized a two-day event back in 2016 theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?47529-MiBO-2016-Photos-Videos-and-Comments&highlight=MiBOOkay so it is only one, but it's one more than a lot of people have done. I would have done another but the venue closed down shortly after and has still not re-opened. The acoustics weren't great there either but as I pointed out in my post above there are a lot of considerations with selecting a venue and good acoustics cannot be at the top of the pile. Anyone with experience in organising one of these things in a public venue (as opposed to their own home) knows that. Hence why I specifically prefaced my comment with 'This is not a criticism.' I don't see how any discussion/comparison of loudspeakers can avoid taking into account the acoustics of the space they are used in.
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Post by antonio on May 11, 2022 14:54:01 GMT
macca Why did you have to say "these are some of the worst acoustics you have heard" on this thread, this of course spoiling what was an enjoyable day with loads of positive comments? Were they really that bad, I was sitting next to AliT when Oli's system started playing, Ali commented he thought there was a little bass boom, I was unsure, but neither of us knew that particular song. I think Oli must have have moved the speakers further out into the room while I was outside having a ciggie As I've already mentioned, Bencat, Mark and myself were able to hear differences between dac's, which is really what I wanted to know. Why did you go Macca and what were you expecting to hear on the day?
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Post by electronumpty on May 11, 2022 15:01:54 GMT
Guys , you've both made your points maybe best to agree to disagree etc. 🙂
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Post by antonio on May 11, 2022 15:09:03 GMT
After Macca has answered my question thank you
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Post by macca on May 11, 2022 16:05:29 GMT
I already answered it in my previous post. It's directly relevant to the performance of the loudspeakers, which is what was being discussed.
At every one of these events I have been to the acoustics have been a topic of discussion, both at the time and afterwards. This one was no different. It's just one of the things enthusiasts like to discuss because it's part of sound quality.
I've never once heard anyone say that discussing the acoustics 'spoiled the day' for them. I cannot relate to that at all. That's all from me on this.
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Post by antonio on May 11, 2022 16:18:19 GMT
I never heard anyone mention the acoustics while I was there, good or bad all the speakers were in the same room on the same playing field and you never even answered my final question WHY DID YOU GO? The least you could have done was inform Bigman in a private message and go from there, this is a hobby yet you seem to to want to spoil others enjoyment.
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Post by optical on May 11, 2022 17:12:35 GMT
I don't think anyone is here to spoil any one else's enjoyment.
We're headed down a bit of a cul-de-sac here chaps so it might be best to leave it there. I know for a fact you both enjoyed it, as did everyone in attendance so it's all good.
Last word on the acoustics, it's an uncontrollable factor so it's not the same as saying "that DAC was the worst I've heard" for example, which would be purposely critical. No one could do nowt about it anyway so no point in worrying about it.
Some people may have been more sensitive to it than others anyway but because the vibe was so positive it didn't spoil anyone's day, let's try and keep it that way ey!
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Post by hifinutt on May 12, 2022 21:43:09 GMT
superb to see pics of folks and put names to faces . thanks .
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Post by Bigman80 on May 12, 2022 21:58:19 GMT
Apart from the "room acoustics" discussion that seems to have broken out, I think it's fair to say the day was a success.
I've spoken to a few who turned up and the general feeling is that they really enjoyed it. For me, that's all that really matters.
Most audiophiles know that a free day out to a Bakeoff isn't likely to yield an acoustically perfect room, and I know from chatting to folk that regardless of that, they still took home a good experience from the systems and equipment in use.
Sadly, some of them brought equipment that never made it out of the car, so next year I want to fix that.
I know a Line Magnetic Amp made it down, and I really wanted to hear that.
What I particularly liked, was the fact that none members turned up, and felt comfortable doing so. That's a big plus for me, and something I hope to see again next year.
I hope we get some more fresh faces I to the forum, as it's great to grow the community too.
I'm already looking forward to next year!
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Post by hifinutt on May 12, 2022 22:13:22 GMT
wonderful to organise something like this . billiant that others felt welcome . somewhat odd that malware warnings popped up on some links i put on other threads !!
as you say its great to grow the community , good for mental health and fraternity
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Post by antonio on May 13, 2022 5:26:14 GMT
@bigman80 I would have like to hear a Line Magnetic amp also, I think you've learned a bit from the 1st Bake-Off, will be easier to organise and which kit can be brought next year.
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Post by optical on May 13, 2022 6:51:59 GMT
Yup, I'm already buzzing for the next one to be fair and ultimately I'd like to bring a system, however two 50KG+ speakers and no van may have me rethinking which noise boxes I can bring . . .
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Post by Bigman80 on May 13, 2022 7:26:20 GMT
Yup, I'm already buzzing for the next one to be fair and ultimately I'd like to bring a system, however two 50KG+ speakers and no van may have me rethinking which noise boxes I can bring . . . You've got 12 months to plan.....no excuses lol
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Post by Bigman80 on May 13, 2022 7:29:17 GMT
@bigman80 I would have like to hear a Line Magnetic amp also, I think you've learned a bit from the 1st Bake-Off, will be easier to organise and which kit can be brought next year. Absolutely. I think next year will be better.
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Post by optical on May 13, 2022 7:36:04 GMT
Yup, I'm already buzzing for the next one to be fair and ultimately I'd like to bring a system, however two 50KG+ speakers and no van may have me rethinking which noise boxes I can bring . . . You've got 12 months to plan.....no excuses lol The rate we go at I'll have changed my entire system twice by then anyway . . . .
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Post by Bigman80 on May 13, 2022 8:25:27 GMT
You've got 12 months to plan.....no excuses lol The rate we go at I'll have changed my entire system twice by then anyway . . . . Hahaha, that's probably a good shout.
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Post by antonio on May 13, 2022 9:01:58 GMT
You've got 12 months to plan.....no excuses lol The rate we go at I'll have changed my entire system twice by then anyway . . . . I think you're getting there Chris, to really improve things now you are talking 'big money' otherwise it's more of a side way step, which of course can be preferred.
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Post by optical on May 13, 2022 9:05:45 GMT
The rate we go at I'll have changed my entire system twice by then anyway . . . . I think you're getting there Chris, to really improve things now you are talking 'big money' otherwise it's more of a side way step, which of course can be preferred. Haha, yeah it was a bit tongue-in-cheek as I've had the 686 for 3 years+ now (maybe 4?) plus I can't see the BT2 going anywhere . . . ever. The Soekris/Mutec combo is also solid and unlikely to be beaten even for serious money so yeah, it's more just 'tweaks' and upgrades to existing kit. The only thing I could see being replaced/upgraded is the speakers to be honest, nowt wrong with the Logans mind just technology has moved on in the last decade or so and I've got an itch to find out where the state of the art is in that department . . . .
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Post by stryder5 on May 13, 2022 9:20:00 GMT
The enemy of my enemy is my friend......lol
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Post by lurch on May 13, 2022 11:18:11 GMT
I think you're getting there Chris, to really improve things now you are talking 'big money' otherwise it's more of a side way step, which of course can be preferred. Haha, yeah it was a bit tongue-in-cheek as I've had the 686 for 3 years+ now (maybe 4?) plus I can't see the BT2 going anywhere . . . ever. The Soekris/Mutec combo is also solid and unlikely to be beaten even for serious money so yeah, it's more just 'tweaks' and upgrades to existing kit. The only thing I could see being replaced/upgraded is the speakers to be honest, nowt wrong with the Logans mind just technology has moved on in the last decade or so and I've got an itch to find out where the state of the art is in that department . . . . Yeah I'm in the same boat Chris, other than acquiring a Koetsu stone body as a personal Everest I can't see where I'd get a significant SQ upgrade for sensible money. Different yes, but better? Okay my streaming setup isn't SOTA (Pimped Node + SBooster/Audio-GD DDC/Pimped Black Ice DSD) but given I've no real, interest in digital it can stay as is, as the sound is more than acceptable. Also moving up from the Summits to 13A or 15A is a £10-15k jump secondhand, Ouch!!!
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Post by optical on May 13, 2022 11:30:07 GMT
Haha, yeah it was a bit tongue-in-cheek as I've had the 686 for 3 years+ now (maybe 4?) plus I can't see the BT2 going anywhere . . . ever. The Soekris/Mutec combo is also solid and unlikely to be beaten even for serious money so yeah, it's more just 'tweaks' and upgrades to existing kit. The only thing I could see being replaced/upgraded is the speakers to be honest, nowt wrong with the Logans mind just technology has moved on in the last decade or so and I've got an itch to find out where the state of the art is in that department . . . . Yeah I'm in the same boat Chris, other than acquiring a Koetsu stone body as a personal Everest I can't see where I'd get a significant SQ upgrade for sensible money. Different yes, but better? Okay my streaming setup isn't SOTA (Pimped Node + SBooster/Audio-GD DDC/Pimped Black Ice DSD) but given I've no real, interest in digital it can stay as is, as the sound is more than acceptable. Also moving up from the Summits to 13A or 15A is a £10-15k jump secondhand, Ouch!!! Yeah, once you get to a certain level, its either a sideways move or big outlay required. Having said that my vinyl side can and is being given a few healthy upgrades, not cheap ones I fear either, but that's what it takes . . . . I find myself leaning more towards choosing vinyl these days too so it makes sense to pool more resources into that, especially since the digital is as good as it is. Yeah I wouldn't worry much about your digital side there, all those bits are more than adequate, I bet the Audio GD and Black Ice DSD is a great combo. It's more of a 'if the opportunity comes along at the right time' upgrade path rather than a 'I'm not quite happy with how things are sounding' chasing better SQ. Big difference between those two paths there.
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Post by misterc on May 13, 2022 12:38:47 GMT
Either that or you could plump for a pair of User Be 20's
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Post by optical on May 13, 2022 13:25:35 GMT
Either that or you could plump for a pair of User Be 20's Please don't . . . I'm weak Tony . . .
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