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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2020 17:01:41 GMT
What is your opinion?
Do the fuses like SR Orange (orange is the new blue, didn’t you know?) actually do anything?
I have serious doubts, but I am open to being educated otherwise....
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Post by karma67 on Dec 23, 2020 17:12:29 GMT
What is your opinion? Do the fuses like SR Orange (orange is the new blue, didn’t you know?) actually do anything? I have serious doubts, but I am open to being educated otherwise.... my opinion is its cobblers.
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Post by macca on Dec 23, 2020 17:49:17 GMT
I'd also have to say it's cobblers.
People buy them and say 'It's night and day' and then a while later they upgrade to the next one and again it's 'Night and day.'
How bad must it have been with the original fuse in it? Like an Amstrad midi system or something? But it's 20 grands worth of kit. Just doesn't add up.
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Post by karma67 on Dec 23, 2020 18:08:11 GMT
I'd also have to say it's cobblers. People buy them and say 'It's night and day' and then a while later they upgrade to the next one and again it's 'Night and day.' How bad must it have been with the original fuse in it? Like an Amstrad midi system or something? But it's 20 grands worth of kit. Just doesn't add up. its not related to just fuses lol |
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Post by macca on Dec 23, 2020 18:12:45 GMT
No, I suppose not. If their happy, bless 'em, that's all that matters. I just couldn't kid myself on like that though.
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Post by sq225917 on Dec 23, 2020 18:50:30 GMT
I don't have an opinion based on listening to one. But I do have a suspicion that there's no good goddam reason in the history of scientific endeavour that can show a correlation between a hifi fuse and what comes out of the speakers...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2020 20:11:08 GMT
The bit that makes me laugh is that they are directional according to the manufacturer, and placed in an AC circuit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2020 21:03:12 GMT
It's no worse than believing a woman had a kid without even having a bonk 2000 years ago though. And look how many people went for that one.
Makes you think that eh ?
Well....it makes me think.
And not much makes me think .
Especially on Wednesdays.
I've stopped now though.
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Post by macca on Dec 23, 2020 22:53:16 GMT
It's no worse than believing a woman had a kid without even having a bonk 2000 years ago though. And look how many people went for that one. Makes you think that eh ? Well....it makes me think. And not much makes me think . Especially on Wednesdays. I've stopped now though. 😏 Yeah everyone knows that was aliens now though. Came down with their probes. Thousands of women are impregnated by aliens every year, it's just not widely reported. |
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Post by sq225917 on Dec 24, 2020 0:13:33 GMT
It's AV, it's a fuse, it then goes through, traffo, diodes, smoother caps, multiple stages of regulation, course its audible...
Yeh, defo, no doubt about
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 24, 2020 9:00:03 GMT
we say this, then someine will share a pic of a Shuko power cable....which has no fuse at all. Many claim that removing the fuse results in a quieter background...does in mine. If i remove the fuse, F#ck all will switch on  Joking aside: I bought a fancy pants fuse a long time back. I put it in the BB1 i had built....I wasnt entirely convinced it made any difference. I didn't want to get in to the usual ridicule and bost ups (arguements) from the HiFi worlds usual suspects who delighted in dishing out all sorts of bully boy drama. HOWEVER, when i sold that phonostage and rebuilt another. Something was different. That could have been anything, but when i put another one in the new phonostage...it did make a difference IMO, but not in a "WOW where have you been all my life!" type of way. Like a subtle change to the atmosphere when its going to rain...sometimes you know it's coming by the smell, kind of way. That may make no sense to anyone else, but thats the only way i can describe it. I don't use it anymore, as the design for the BB3 came along and i never put one in, so i wont start now. I know that a few of the BB3 owners swear by synergistic (?) fuses.....me, i just use the correct rated ones these days |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 9:19:54 GMT
The question for me was if it is worth trying one in my 686 or SEG. Some people swear by them.
The 686 would be in an AC environment, and the SEG in DC.
For some reason, I just can’t think about buying €155 fuses in a sensible way.
There is a thread elsewhere where a SEG owner swears it is the best thing he did. For less money, I had some major improvements done on my SEG, with new Supercaps, clocks and better RCA sockets. Seemed like a good decision to me, as this will actually make a difference.
I suppose I could always try one, and send it back if it makes no difference.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 24, 2020 9:29:16 GMT
The question for me was if it is worth trying one in my 686 or SEG. Some people swear by them. The 686 would be in an AC environment, and the SEG in DC. For some reason, I just can’t think about buying €155 fuses in a sensible way. There is a thread elsewhere where a SEG owner swears it is the best thing he did. For less money, I had some major improvements done on my SEG, with new Supercaps, clocks and better RCA sockets. Seemed like a good decision to me, as this will actually make a difference. I suppose I could always try one, and send it back if it makes no difference. I tried an expensive Orange one....didnt seem to have the same effect. Valab used to sell one. About £10. That was the one i thought made something happen...but who knows. |
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Post by nonuffin on Dec 24, 2020 9:40:05 GMT
It's AV, it's a fuse, it then goes through, traffo, diodes, smoother caps, multiple stages of regulation, course its audible... Not forgetting either the countless miles of overground and underground cabling and transformers from the power station to your home, is the common cry from the naysayers. They are not wrong at all about those facts, but even so that silly little fuse is the weakest link in the entire chain from power station to the speakers.
It is a thin piece of wire designed to run warm the entire time via the current running through it and run very hot when the resistance is overcome by the load and it then ruptures. Simple concept but works extremely well, reliable, simple and cheap to produce. What baffles me though is how the "superfuses" manage to convert that simple idea into an expensive product without losing the basic principles of how they work. Replace the cheap wire with pure silver wire and the lowering of the resistance for example is to me counter-productive.
I cannot get into a froth about it these days and life is too short (as I know too well) to even ponder upon the complexities of it all.
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Post by sq225917 on Dec 24, 2020 15:07:35 GMT
Should mention, none of the currently available ones have UK regs certificates
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Post by macca on Dec 24, 2020 16:31:09 GMT
Aside from the argument about whether they do anything or not, fact is that it is possible to get stunningly good sound without using any foo products whatsoever.
So what's the point spending money on it? If you're tempted to buy this stuff don't. Instead put the money in a fund and when there's enough spend it on better speakers or room treatments. Or a better cartridge or phono-stage if you're into vinyl. All those will guarantee better sound as opposed to what may well be (almost certainly is IMO) a pig in a poke.
If you have access to unlimited hi-fi funds, or you already maxxed out everything else then you can safely (or maybe not) ignore this advice.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 24, 2020 19:25:22 GMT
Aside from the argument about whether they do anything or not, fact is that it is possible to get stunningly good sound without using any foo products whatsoever. So what's the point spending money on it? If you're tempted to buy this stuff don't. Instead put the money in a fund and when there's enough spend it on better speakers or room treatments. Or a better cartridge or phono-stage if you're into vinyl. All those will guarantee better sound as opposed to what may well be (almost certainly is IMO) a pig in a poke. If you have access to unlimited hi-fi funds, or you already maxxed out everything else then you can safely (or maybe not) ignore this advice. Very sensible. |
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Post by antonio on Dec 24, 2020 23:31:16 GMT
I know everyone on here appears to think these fuses are foo, but how many of you have actually tried one of these exotic fuses I cannot get my head round the fact that they would make a difference either, but I've never tried one, and would therefore not like to say one way or the other Replacing with a copper bar (do so at your own risk) as per Mr Dunn's suggestion I can understand
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Post by sq225917 on Dec 25, 2020 22:16:40 GMT
Replacing with a copper bar similarly makes no difference, beyond scraping the contacts clean.
It's just a conductor with a tiny bit of resistance, one that is utterly dwarfed by the resistance of the transformer and all the push on plugs sitting after it.
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Post by macca on Dec 26, 2020 14:44:37 GMT
I know everyone on here appears to think these fuses are foo, but how many of you have actually tried one of these exotic fuses I cannot get my head round the fact that they would make a difference either, but I've never tried one, and would therefore not like to say one way or the other Replacing with a copper bar (do so at your own risk) as per Mr Dunn's suggestion I can understand you swap in the new fuse or copper bar and you're listening differently than you were before because your listening to hear if there has been a change. Plus you know you just changed something so unconscious bias is impossible to avoid. These factors are far more likely to account for perceived differences than there being something as yet unknown to science going on. I'm not saying there's zero possibility of that but if there's no known reason why a hi-fi tweak works then the odds are 99.99999% on that it doesn't. If someone one day arranges some sort of blind test I'd be happy to have a go and see if I could distinguish the fancy fuse from the standard one. That's the only thing that would change my opinion on fuses. Or mains cables. |
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