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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 20:51:15 GMT
Right, thanks for that Biggy....my mistake.
Back on subject.
Admin: BREAKING RULE 1 AGAIN.
A thruppeny bit ding ma......would piss all over it.
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Post by sq225917 on Mar 7, 2019 21:15:41 GMT
When you say 'RIAA off' how much are you talking, cos they are all off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 21:32:33 GMT
Riaa.......simp!es you would think.
But no......SUTS i laugh @ em.....
Im a MM man by choice, tried em all Decca To Koetsu...bla bla fukin bla.
GIVE ME A GOLDRING 1042 MM
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 21:45:29 GMT
Bit surprised the particular design aspect of the Valab wasn't mentioned.
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Post by dsjr on Mar 7, 2019 21:48:47 GMT
Right, thanks for that Biggy....my mistake. Back on subject. Admin: BREAKING RULE 1 AGAIN. A thruppeny bit ding ma......would piss all over it. IMHO....of course. Really? Oh of course, it's a LINN product, albeit first generation, so it has to be crap right? Have you ever used one jammy? No need to answer that - and DON'T call me a wanker!!!!!!!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 21:51:23 GMT
RIAA........ THE LINE, THE CURVE, THE CROSS. IT AINT ROCKET SCIENCE.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 21:55:36 GMT
Right, thanks for that Biggy....my mistake. Back on subject. Admin: BREAKING RULE 1 AGAIN. A thruppeny bit ding ma......would piss all over it. IMHO....of course. Really? Oh of course, it's a LINN product, albeit first generation, so it has to be crap right? Have you ever used one jammy? No need to answer that - and DON'T call me a wanker!!!!!!!! Jings sorry Dave.....thought you would have been tucked up in yer bed with yer Jim Jams on and a cup o Coco....😀 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 22:25:16 GMT
When you say 'RIAA off' how much are you talking, cos they are all off. Simon, When I say off, I mean there was an Audible lift in certain frequencies which led to get them measured. I'm quite lucky in the fact Alan is very local and will happily investigate equipment The phonostages were measured and varified at the time but if you want notes and graphics, I haven't got them to give. All I can't tell you hand on heart was that in layman's terms, the square wave showed noticeable deviation from actually being square. Now there was "overshoot" on a couple and on others there was a rising line that never came down. I am sure if Alan see's this thread he will be able to explain in a manner that means something to you. Sorry. |
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Post by dsjr on Mar 7, 2019 22:34:12 GMT
As the old saying goes..... Only two types of bloke in this world........ ADMIN: No more, Jammy. Take yer pick dave.? Your world obviously ain't mine jammy. No more to say really...
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 8, 2019 3:16:38 GMT
As the old saying goes..... Only two types of bloke in this world........ ADMIN: No more, Jammy. Take yer pick dave.? Your world obviously ain't mine jammy. No more to say really...
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 8, 2019 3:27:07 GMT
When you say 'RIAA off' how much are you talking, cos they are all off. Which preamp,or phono stages are we taking about, or is this a general observation? I tried reading back posts but couldn’t find it. |
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Post by antonio on Mar 8, 2019 6:28:32 GMT
Your world obviously ain't mine jammy. No more to say really...
Jammy: If you want to keep inhabiting this forum world, you need to can the insults once and for all. I never saw the alleged insults by Jammy, but come on, being called a wanker ain't the end of the world. Are you going to water down this forum so no one can have a laugh, let Jammy's post stand and enjoy them for what they are, he's reeling you in every time. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 8, 2019 6:51:41 GMT
Jammy: If you want to keep inhabiting this forum world, you need to can the insults once and for all. I never saw the alleged insults by Jammy, but come on, being called a wanker ain't the end of the world. Are you going to water down this forum so no one can have a laugh, let Jammy's post stand and enjoy them for what they are, he's reeling you in every time. Why not try, C#nt, twat, liar or others for size., almost every post since he was reinstated has been contrary. Sorry Antonio but you are way off on this one. Loads of his posts have been edited or removed. We’ve had dozens of reported posts. You are commenting without seeing the full picture. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 8, 2019 7:03:02 GMT
There’s also a big difference between using swear words in jest and meaning to be nasty. Recently his posts crossed the line into the lattter territory.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 8:24:23 GMT
Bit surprised the particular design aspect of the Valab wasn't mentioned. Which particular bit? The LCR? |
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Post by alit on Mar 8, 2019 9:37:21 GMT
Oli, I suspect the Slagle didn’t sound quite right in your system was due to the inductance of the autoformers. You can restack the laminations to alter this to suit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 9:50:00 GMT
Hell guys I live in a bloody conflict zone; Johannesburg South Africa, if you need to barney this is place. You might very well get a lead pill or run over by a Black Taxi for your efforts now that is a real scrap.
I had better shut up now. I have learned to shut my mouth, before some 7 foot 300lb Zulu with an iron bar shuts it for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 10:09:06 GMT
Hell guys I live in a bloody conflict zone; Johannesburg South Africa, if you need to barney this is place. You might very well get a lead pill or run over by a Black Taxi for your efforts now that is a real scrap. I had better shut up now. I have learned to shut my mouth, before some 7 foot 300lb Zulu with an iron bar shuts it for me. It's a bit like that here. Especially at night! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 10:49:40 GMT
Phonostages in my system, in order: 1) Project RS box. No issues with RIAA 2) Firebottle OTP1. NO issues with RIAA 3) Firebottle OTP2. No issues with RIAA 4) Ray Samuals Nighthawk (?). No issues with RIAA 5) Tron Convergence. HF Rolled off. Measured and verified. 6) Jolida J9II. No issues with RIAA 7) Modified Tron Convergence. Corrected and sounded great. 8) Firebottle Vivant. No issues with RIAA 9) Croft RIAA phonostage. Mid to Bass RIAA rise. Measured and verified. 10) Wizard Phonostage (DIY) Bit of a bass hump. Measured and corrected. 11) NVA PHONO 2. Bass was enhanced. Measured and verified by independent party and left as is. 12) Bigbottle Prototype. RIAA has a slight bass lift. Not corrected yet. 13) Audio Detail Nuvista phonostage. Bass heavy. Not measured. 14) Valab LCR phonostage. No issues with RIAA. 15) Bigbottle phonostage final. No issues with RIAA There's a couple More I can't remember arm but I'll add them later. Thanks for that analysis Oliver. You appear to have issues with too much bass in whatever context you heard some of these. Can you define natural bass and what you are looking for subjectively. Also what figure in terms of frequency do you consider natural? Can you be certain this is the RIAA circuit or something else in the design or elsewhere? A lot of this is ultimately subjective and system dependent. For instance I don't think the phono 2 bass sounds excessive (would say extended). I do like an extended rather than bloated upper bass performance. What you hear ultimately can depend on the source material used to make an assessment. Maybe list music listened to in the test. In the end this hobby is about music reproduction and not just measurements. Also if we are going on measurements there is more than one 'RIAA' curve commonly in use. Some preamps actually give you a choice. |
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Phonostages in my system, in order: 1) Project RS box. No issues with RIAA 2) Firebottle OTP1. NO issues with RIAA 3) Firebottle OTP2. No issues with RIAA 4) Ray Samuals Nighthawk (?). No issues with RIAA 5) Tron Convergence. HF Rolled off. Measured and verified. 6) Jolida J9II. No issues with RIAA 7) Modified Tron Convergence. Corrected and sounded great. 8) Firebottle Vivant. No issues with RIAA 9) Croft RIAA phonostage. Mid to Bass RIAA rise. Measured and verified. 10) Wizard Phonostage (DIY) Bit of a bass hump. Measured and corrected. 11) NVA PHONO 2. Bass was enhanced. Measured and verified by independent party and left as is. 12) Bigbottle Prototype. RIAA has a slight bass lift. Not corrected yet. 13) Audio Detail Nuvista phonostage. Bass heavy. Not measured. 14) Valab LCR phonostage. No issues with RIAA. 15) Bigbottle phonostage final. No issues with RIAA There's a couple More I can't remember arm but I'll add them later. Thanks for that analysis Oliver. You appear to have issues with too much bass in whatever context you heard some of these. Can you define natural bass and what you are looking for subjectively. Also what figure in terms of frequency do you consider natural? Can you be certain this is the RIAA circuit or something else in the design or elsewhere? A lot of this is ultimately subjective and system dependent. For instance I don't think the phono 2 bass sounds excessive (would say extended). I do like an extended rather than bloated upper bass performance. What you hear ultimately can depend on the source material used to make an assessment. Maybe list music listened to in the test. In the end this hobby is about music reproduction and not just measurements. Also if we are going on measurements there is more than one 'RIAA' curve commonly in use. Some preamps actually give you a choice. Hi CR, Sure, systems vary, as do rooms, ears and opinions so my opinion is worth very little, except where my opinion led to testing and ultimately was verified by the results of such investigation. A lot has been made over my NVA phono 2 comments. I understand why but it has been made into a much bigger "thing" than intended. I'm not interested in raking over that again, it's all already been said. The RIAA curve, IMO should be as accurate as possible. Yes, I am quick to pick up on "enhanced" frequencies and if I hear an enhancement in a piece of equipment, it got moved on. That's not to say it's crap or that I didn't like what it does, it just isn't what I want. Your comments about the Bass of the NVA being "extended" equate my point exactly. It's an enhancement. What you are hearing is a slight tweak to the equalisation to give that impression. The NVA phono2 does not have a wider bandwidth that any other other phonostage on that list. The "extended bass" is an illusion of tweaking the sound. Don't get me wrong, it's a good phonostage that I enjoyed listening to but ultimately, my example was not accurate to the curve. Yes, there are a lot of curves available but if you're suggesting that any of the phonostages on that list use a different one to any of the others, you'd need to provide evidence because as far as I know, they all use the same industry standard RIAA. If the RIAA measurements deviate sufficiently from the RIAA curve in a particular frequency, it's no longer accurate enough IMO and a few phonostages I've heard are guilty of this. Just because I am aware of this doesn't make me special, it makes me informed and capable of recognising it. My system is geared for accuracy, yours will be different but I bet we both enjoy our systems in equal measure. That's all that matters. |
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Post by savvypaul on Mar 8, 2019 11:30:17 GMT
Thanks for that analysis Oliver. You appear to have issues with too much bass in whatever context you heard some of these. Can you define natural bass and what you are looking for subjectively. Also what figure in terms of frequency do you consider natural? Can you be certain this is the RIAA circuit or something else in the design or elsewhere? A lot of this is ultimately subjective and system dependent. For instance I don't think the phono 2 bass sounds excessive (would say extended). I do like an extended rather than bloated upper bass performance. What you hear ultimately can depend on the source material used to make an assessment. Maybe list music listened to in the test. In the end this hobby is about music reproduction and not just measurements. Also if we are going on measurements there is more than one 'RIAA' curve commonly in use. Some preamps actually give you a choice. Hi CR, Sure, systems vary, as do rooms, ears and opinions so my opinion is worth very little, except where my opinion led to testing and ultimately was verified by the results of such investigation. A lot has been made over my NVA phono 2 comments. I understand why but it has been made into a much bigger "thing" than intended. I'm not interested in raking over that again, it's all already been said. The RIAA curve, IMO should be as accurate as possible. Yes, I am quick to pick up on "enhanced" frequencies and if I hear an enhancement in a piece of equipment, it got moved on. That's not to say it's crap or that I didn't like what it does, it just isn't what I want. Your comments about the Bass of the NVA being "extended" equate my point exactly. It's an enhancement. What you are hearing is a slight tweak in to RIAA to give that impression. The NVA phono2 does not have a wider bandwidth that any other other phonostage on that list. The "extended bass" is an illusion of tweaking the RIAA. Don't get me wrong, it's a good phonostage that I enjoyed listening to but ultimately, it's not accurate to the curve. Yes, there are a lot of curves available but if you're suggesting bthat anybody the phonostages on that list use a different one to any of the others, yod need to provide evidence because as far as I know, they all use the same industry standard RIAA. If the RIAA measurements deviate sufficiently from the RIAA curve in a particular frequency, it's no longer accurate enough IMO and a few phonostages I've heard are guilty of this. Just because I am aware of this doesn't make me special, it makes me informed and capable of recognising it. My system is geared for accuracy, yours will be different but I bet we both enjoy our systems in equal measure. That's all that matters. I remember Nick Gorham talking about this subject. He posted... Personally I think the accuracy of the RIAA eq is a data point. I prefer to be as close as I can to it, but there are various reasons why it can and can't matter.
1. RIAA is spot on, but making that so has hurt the sound of the thing - Problematic
2. RIAA is more than close enough, making it any closer would not be noticed - Fine
3. RIAA is not perfect, but making it any closer would hurt the sound of the thing more than any advantage gained by closer eq - Fine
4. RIAA is intentionally broken, its a intended trick to make the unit sound "different" from others - Bogus.
I suspect that the NVA is either in case 2 or 3, I have seen a few in 4 and there are probably some examples of 1. |
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Thanks for that analysis Oliver. You appear to have issues with too much bass in whatever context you heard some of these. Can you define natural bass and what you are looking for subjectively. Also what figure in terms of frequency do you consider natural? Can you be certain this is the RIAA circuit or something else in the design or elsewhere? A lot of this is ultimately subjective and system dependent. For instance I don't think the phono 2 bass sounds excessive (would say extended). I do like an extended rather than bloated upper bass performance. What you hear ultimately can depend on the source material used to make an assessment. Maybe list music listened to in the test. In the end this hobby is about music reproduction and not just measurements. Also if we are going on measurements there is more than one 'RIAA' curve commonly in use. Some preamps actually give you a choice. Hi CR, Sure, systems vary, as do rooms, ears and opinions so my opinion is worth very little, except where my opinion led to testing and ultimately was verified by the results of such investigation. A lot has been made over my NVA phono 2 comments. I understand why but it has been made into a much bigger "thing" than intended. I'm not interested in raking over that again, it's all already been said. The RIAA curve, IMO should be as accurate as possible. Yes, I am quick to pick up on "enhanced" frequencies and if I hear an enhancement in a piece of equipment, it got moved on. That's not to say it's crap or that I didn't like what it does, it just isn't what I want. Your comments about the Bass of the NVA being "extended" equate my point exactly. It's an enhancement. What you are hearing is a slight tweak in to RIAA to give that impression. The NVA phono2 does not have a wider bandwidth that any other other phonostage on that list. The "extended bass" is an illusion of tweaking the RIAA. Don't get me wrong, it's a good phonostage that I enjoyed listening to but ultimately, it's not accurate to the curve. Yes, there are a lot of curves available but if you're suggesting bthat anybody the phonostages on that list use a different one to any of the others, yod need to provide evidence because as far as I know, they all use the same industry standard RIAA. If the RIAA measurements deviate sufficiently from the RIAA curve in a particular frequency, it's no longer accurate enough IMO and a few phonostages I've heard are guilty of this. Just because I am aware of this doesn't make me special, it makes me informed and capable of recognising it. My system is geared for accuracy, yours will be different but I bet we both enjoy our systems in equal measure. That's all that matters. To be honest I don't know what RD does with the RIAA on the Phono 2. Anyway, not specific to any particular stage, ask yourself if perceived enhancements serve the music. Maybe the standard RIAA has curtailed bass in the modern context. Anyway more important is the midrange and treble, so from a listening point of view if these areas are accurate all should be well? However different preamps with the same 'accurate' RIAA will sound different for other reasons which suggests this is not the be all and end all of a good design. I just wish your write up had given musical examples were you found the sound to be unacceptable to your ears. Readers could then try the same music and assess how that sounds to them, especially if they have access to one or more preamps in your list. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 11:34:45 GMT
Hi CR, Sure, systems vary, as do rooms, ears and opinions so my opinion is worth very little, except where my opinion led to testing and ultimately was verified by the results of such investigation. A lot has been made over my NVA phono 2 comments. I understand why but it has been made into a much bigger "thing" than intended. I'm not interested in raking over that again, it's all already been said. The RIAA curve, IMO should be as accurate as possible. Yes, I am quick to pick up on "enhanced" frequencies and if I hear an enhancement in a piece of equipment, it got moved on. That's not to say it's crap or that I didn't like what it does, it just isn't what I want. Your comments about the Bass of the NVA being "extended" equate my point exactly. It's an enhancement. What you are hearing is a slight tweak in to RIAA to give that impression. The NVA phono2 does not have a wider bandwidth that any other other phonostage on that list. The "extended bass" is an illusion of tweaking the RIAA. Don't get me wrong, it's a good phonostage that I enjoyed listening to but ultimately, it's not accurate to the curve. Yes, there are a lot of curves available but if you're suggesting bthat anybody the phonostages on that list use a different one to any of the others, yod need to provide evidence because as far as I know, they all use the same industry standard RIAA. If the RIAA measurements deviate sufficiently from the RIAA curve in a particular frequency, it's no longer accurate enough IMO and a few phonostages I've heard are guilty of this. Just because I am aware of this doesn't make me special, it makes me informed and capable of recognising it. My system is geared for accuracy, yours will be different but I bet we both enjoy our systems in equal measure. That's all that matters. I remember Nick Gorham talking about this subject... Personally I think the accuracy of the RIAA eq is a data point. I prefer to be as close as I can to it, but there are various reasons why it can and can't matter.
1. RIAA is spot on, but making that so has hurt the sound of the thing - Problematic
2. RIAA is more than close enough, making it any closer would not be noticed - Fine
3. RIAA is not perfect, but making it any closer would hurt the sound of the thing more than any advantage gained by closer eq - Fine
4. RIAA is intentionally broken, its a intended trick to make the unit sound "different" from others - Bogus.
I suspect that the NVA is either in case 2 or 3, I have seen a few in 4 and there are probably some examples of 1.I totally agree and had if I had the same level of knowledge base as Nick, I possibly would have been able to share my opinion in a way which fully embodied what I was trying to say. The fact I liked the phonostage when I had it, got completely overlooked. Unfortunately, there will never be an occasion where anything I say about NVA will ever be taken as intended, so I'd prefer to not be drawn on the subject. |
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Post by savvypaul on Mar 8, 2019 11:45:16 GMT
I remember Nick Gorham talking about this subject... Personally I think the accuracy of the RIAA eq is a data point. I prefer to be as close as I can to it, but there are various reasons why it can and can't matter.
1. RIAA is spot on, but making that so has hurt the sound of the thing - Problematic
2. RIAA is more than close enough, making it any closer would not be noticed - Fine
3. RIAA is not perfect, but making it any closer would hurt the sound of the thing more than any advantage gained by closer eq - Fine
4. RIAA is intentionally broken, its a intended trick to make the unit sound "different" from others - Bogus.
I suspect that the NVA is either in case 2 or 3, I have seen a few in 4 and there are probably some examples of 1.I totally agree and had if I had the same level of knowledge base as Nick, I possibly would have been able to share my opinion in a way which fully embodied what I was trying to say. The fact I liked the phonostage when I had it, got completely overlooked. Unfortunately, there will never be an occasion where anything I say about NVA will ever be taken as intended, so I'd prefer to not be drawn on the subject. No need to be worried about sharing your subjective experiences. If there were only one right answer then we would all own the same gear. We all have different experiences (and different tastes) so no one write up should ever be seen as gospel. It's only hifi, after all. I don't know enough about the technical side to comment, so I don't...but I thought that Nick's post was 'on topic'. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 11:45:24 GMT
Hi CR, Sure, systems vary, as do rooms, ears and opinions so my opinion is worth very little, except where my opinion led to testing and ultimately was verified by the results of such investigation. A lot has been made over my NVA phono 2 comments. I understand why but it has been made into a much bigger "thing" than intended. I'm not interested in raking over that again, it's all already been said. The RIAA curve, IMO should be as accurate as possible. Yes, I am quick to pick up on "enhanced" frequencies and if I hear an enhancement in a piece of equipment, it got moved on. That's not to say it's crap or that I didn't like what it does, it just isn't what I want. Your comments about the Bass of the NVA being "extended" equate my point exactly. It's an enhancement. What you are hearing is a slight tweak in to RIAA to give that impression. The NVA phono2 does not have a wider bandwidth that any other other phonostage on that list. The "extended bass" is an illusion of tweaking the RIAA. Don't get me wrong, it's a good phonostage that I enjoyed listening to but ultimately, it's not accurate to the curve. Yes, there are a lot of curves available but if you're suggesting bthat anybody the phonostages on that list use a different one to any of the others, yod need to provide evidence because as far as I know, they all use the same industry standard RIAA. If the RIAA measurements deviate sufficiently from the RIAA curve in a particular frequency, it's no longer accurate enough IMO and a few phonostages I've heard are guilty of this. Just because I am aware of this doesn't make me special, it makes me informed and capable of recognising it. My system is geared for accuracy, yours will be different but I bet we both enjoy our systems in equal measure. That's all that matters. To be honest I don't know what RD does with the RIAA on the Phono 2. Anyway, not specific to any particular stage, ask yourself if perceived enhancements serve the music. Maybe the standard RIAA has curtailed bass in the modern context. Anyway more important is the midrange and treble, so from a listening point of view if these areas are accurate all should be well? However different preamps with the same 'accurate' RIAA will sound different for other reasons which suggests this is not the be all and end all of a good design. I just wish your write up had given musical examples were you found the sound to be unacceptable to your ears. Readers could then try the same music and assess how that sounds to them, especially if they have access to one or more preamps in your list. Well as much as I'd like to provide you with a full playlist I used for every piece of equipment, I'm afraid I didn't envisage anyone asking for it so didn't keep a record. Sorry. The difference between you and I, CR, is that I don't want to listen to someone else's opinion of what something sounds like. For instance, each track goes via the approval of the artist, the Sound engineer, the final mix by the engineer, the band's final mix approval and then the pressing and release of that album. That's what I want to hear. I don't need or want Joe Bloggs, building phonostages in his semi detached council house in Basildon, fucking about with the sound. ***This is a fictional character and not intended to reference anyone*** I WANT to get as close as possible to receiving WHATEVER was released from the studio on that record. Enhancement don't serve the music. They are a forced opinion on how the equipment builder "Thinks" it should sound and that's not what I want. Sometimes a pressing sounds crap, sometimes it's epic. I'd rather have that than anything else. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 11:46:58 GMT
I totally agree and had if I had the same level of knowledge base as Nick, I possibly would have been able to share my opinion in a way which fully embodied what I was trying to say. The fact I liked the phonostage when I had it, got completely overlooked. Unfortunately, there will never be an occasion where anything I say about NVA will ever be taken as intended, so I'd prefer to not be drawn on the subject. No need to be worried about sharing your subjective experiences. If there were only one right answer then we would all own the same gear. We all have different experiences (and different tastes) so no one write up should ever be seen as gospel. It's only hifi, after all. I don't know enough about the technical side to comment, so I don't...but I thought that Nick's post was 'on topic'. Its spot on and it's a great post. Nick is usually very good at cutting through the bullshit and providing insight. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 12:21:21 GMT
Well as much as I'd like to provide you with a full playlist I used for every piece of equipment, I'm afraid I didn't envisage anyone asking for it so didn't keep a record. Sorry. The difference between you and I, CR, is that I don't want to listen to someone else's opinion of what something sounds like. For instance, each track goes via the approval of the artist, the Sound engineer, the final mix by the engineer, the band's final mix approval and then the pressing and release of that album. What you listen to does have a bearing on the way you hear the product. Not all recordings will shine in a particular system. Personally I can't make any proper judgement at shows if they only play Classical music. There are just so many variables in record production that you are unlikely to hear what the band intended in the studio unless they have control over the whole process. Are you sure this is fictional? LOL (Ruislip or Basildon?) Good luck with that. Just too many variables in the recording and mastering chain as well as playback equipment. A bit of RIAA enhancement may play a surprisingly small part in what you hear. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 12:23:04 GMT
Well as much as I'd like to provide you with a full playlist I used for every piece of equipment, I'm afraid I didn't envisage anyone asking for it so didn't keep a record. Sorry. The difference between you and I, CR, is that I don't want to listen to someone else's opinion of what something sounds like. For instance, each track goes via the approval of the artist, the Sound engineer, the final mix by the engineer, the band's final mix approval and then the pressing and release of that album. What you listen to does have a bearing on the way you hear the product. Not all recordings will shine in a particular system. Personally I can't make any proper judgement at shows if they only play Classical music. There are just so many variables in record production that you are unlikely to hear what the band intended in the studio unless they have control over the whole process. Are you sure this is fictional? LOL (Ruislip or Basildon?) Good luck with that. Just too many variables in the recording and mastering chain as well as playback equipment. A bit of RIAA enhancement may play a surprisingly small part in what you hear. Well I don't know anyone in Basildon and I certainly don't know any manufacturers there so yes, 100% fictional to my mind |
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Post by macca on Mar 8, 2019 12:35:00 GMT
If you want accuracy to the recording vinyl records are not the place to start so the argument about who's got the most accurate RIAA is redundant, really.
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Post by savvypaul on Mar 8, 2019 12:37:41 GMT
What you listen to does have a bearing on the way you hear the product. Not all recordings will shine in a particular system. Personally I can't make any proper judgement at shows if they only play Classical music. There are just so many variables in record production that you are unlikely to hear what the band intended in the studio unless they have control over the whole process. Are you sure this is fictional? LOL (Ruislip or Basildon?) Good luck with that. Just too many variables in the recording and mastering chain as well as playback equipment. A bit of RIAA enhancement may play a surprisingly small part in what you hear. Well I don't know anyone in Basildon and I certainly don't know any manufacturers there so yes, 100% fictional to my mind I've worked in the ticket office at Basildon station...but I've never been to Ruislip (though, I might have sold someone a ticket to go there). Zone 6, iirc |
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